My observations of the line procedure

[wbcohen]

Nothing wrong with the big camps or large tarps (made some great friends squatting on that space) but there must be some way to eliminate or reduce the gaming and competition that has evolved (again not specifically about big or small camps). My previous post about the shenanigans I have witnessed over the years wasn't commenting on the 90+% of really good people  but at the minority for whom the game seems more important than the vibe, the relationships or the music. How to keep camps together, get everyone some more sleep or jamming time, and get everyone a good spot to see the acts they want to see while eliminating the bad vibe competition is the real goal.

My bigger worry for next year is that the camping lottery will be so competitive and the 4 day passes  will sell out so quickly due to both interest and scalpers that some long time festivarians will be shut out.

[sarrygarcia7]

This was my first TBF and I plan on coming back every year hopefully, even all the way from Ohio. I thought it was completely ridiculous that people would miss a day in the fest to be close for the next day, but that's their problem. We came in when we were ready and ended up posted up in the back by the trash every day. I didn't care, it wasn't as big as I thought and the sound was grate! I went up front and danced to all my favorite bands and was front center for Cheese. I am glad they have the standing/dancing area. It was also funny that by the time the headliner came on most of the people in front were gone (probably they were exhausted from sleeping in line) and you can be up there anyway. With that being said, I think the camping out and waiting in line for the next day should be banned. There should be a designated time each morning that you are allowed to start waiting in line, like 7am, and then pass out numbers accordingly. 

[landshark]

  All moved and office is up and runin. I have to dig in here but only after I attack this huge pile of Admin

ROCK STEADY! Collectivley we do have the solution to Fergs questions. Combined with his careful direction we can solve all these small bumps in the road. Slay that!

[JoshAdFr21]

2) Randomize the tarp line numbers and hand them out something like 1 hour before the doors open.  This won't give folks very much time to sell numbers, etc.

3) Enforce a tarp size limit.  If this tarp size is too small to accommodate your group and/or your family, send in 2 runners with 2 tarps.  The chosen tarp size should be able to fit 4 chairs with a little extra room for everyone's stuff.

Again, if they were to randomize the numbers, sending in multiple runners simply wouldn't work. The music is a huge draw for me, but even better is getting to share the music with so many of my very favorite people. The two runners will not be able to get anywhere near each other if they randomize the numbers.

I agree 100% with this. I was in a group with maybe 20 people. We always had 2 runners get in line around 8:00 (town park line) and we put down 2 tarps in the 2nd section behind the path. We had one big tarp (not sure of the size, definitely bigger than 5x7) and one smaller tarp. We didn't take up too much room and we didn't go right to the front. Randomizing the numbers would make it so we wouldn't have the chance to all sit together.

Why should we have to sit in the back just because we have a bigger group? We went through the same process as everyone else did, yet because we all come up together as a group we can't sit in the middle of the grounds?

I don't believe the current system is perfect, but if something is going to change, please don't punish us because we have a group that wants to sit together.

I like the idea of not allowing chairs in the line area until 6am to prevent people sleeping in line and also putting on a wristband when giving out the numbers. The wristband will be put on the person in line when they get their number and when you give the number back before running in, you're wristband must match the number on the card. This way you can't sell the number (wristbands being tampered with would not be allowed in) and nobody is camping out the night before.

[Cowboy Coffee]

hey odd fired--come get a cup of coffee next year.  it's for you brother!

[Mark of Bloomington]

This was our eleventh consecutive TBF, driving out from south-central Indiana.  I've been getting in line around 3:30ish  44 consectutive mornings and getting a number in the low 100s.  I see the same folks in line year after year.  Dozing to the waking birds in Telluride is one of the things I look forward to each June.  I say keep the Tarp Line rules as they are.  If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

[BillyBeru]

This was our eleventh consecutive TBF, driving out from south-central Indiana.  I've been getting in line around 3:30ish  44 consectutive mornings and getting a number in the low 100s.  I see the same folks in line year after year.  Dozing to the waking birds in Telluride is one of the things I look forward to each June.  I say keep the Tarp Line rules as they are.  If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

That's what I'm talking about! 

[headlight]

... I say keep the Tarp Line rules as they are.  If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

Unfortunately many feel it is broke; personally still straddlin' that particular fence.

 Listening to: Elephant Revival - Love that crew

[BillyBeru]

... I say keep the Tarp Line rules as they are.  If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

Unfortunately many feel it is broke; personally still straddlin' that particular fence.

Mark expressed his opinion that he didn't feel it was broken. He's expressing his opinion. I agree with him.

Hopefully, the planet can fix some of the easy ones which I submitted in my survey response:
 - no selling of line #'s. They will need figure out to identify this but this is a big no no.
 - most likely, they will need to establish some time frame when people are allowed to line up the night before. I don't think that many people do it but apparently enough people are ticked off about it that a change may be needed.

Good luck trying to find a perfect system. I look forward to the Planet making the needed changes based on the festivarian survey and their own observations (and not this forum).

[sdmjake]

like i said at the start: it makes no sense to me how this TARP run works but I am cool with it. [My camp has access by soundboard everyday--though I only watched about 3-4 hours of music from it--so i am one of the folks that 'benefit' from current system] At the end of the day, it just seems wrong that people are paying big bucks for TARP spots and same people are always getting the good spots.
On the other hand, I bet i watched an hour+ of music from the picnic tables that Tom provided this year. What a GREAT idea and one that I hope PB will run with by adding a few more in the vicinity. (THANKS AGAIN MAYOR!)
I always meet nice people TARP hopping and watched tunes from all over the place.

 Listening to: Greensky Bluegrass - Train Junkie

[BillyBeru]

On the other hand, I bet i watched an hour+ of music from the picnic tables that Tom provided this year. What a GREAT idea and one that I hope PB will run with by adding a few more in the vicinity. (THANKS AGAIN MAYOR!)

You mean the picnic tables that Pascal and I carried out with Adam and JP from Run A Muck ? You are welcome!  (i think my shoulder has finally healed) 

[sdmjake]

HA! Yep & thanks you to you too.
 (i know the Mayor didn't "tow them over on his runabout" but that's what the good politicians do: come up with the ideas and gather the necessary muscle to get the job done. Well done Run-a-Muck, well done. Seriously I hope PB will run with this and put in 4-6 tables. There is room and these tables were really appreciated by many)

[BillyBeru]

HA! Yep & thanks you to you too.
 (i know the Mayor didn't "tow them over on his runabout" but that's what the good politicians do: make some poor saps do it for him)

Couldn't agree with you more! 

[swander99]

On the other hand, I bet i watched an hour+ of music from the picnic tables that Tom provided this year. What a GREAT idea and one that I hope PB will run with by adding a few more in the vicinity. (THANKS AGAIN MAYOR!)

You mean the picnic tables that Pascal and I carried out with Adam and JP from Run A Muck ? You are welcome!  (i think my shoulder has finally healed) 

You're talking about the tables that Jimbo & I carried back to "Town Hall" on Sunday (or was it Monday...) after THB wrapped up? Yes, those were well used items @ TBF-XXXX. Good call Mr. Mayor!
Thanks, RaM, for the two-wheeler that worked much better than the shoulders on that 2nd table! (keep that one in mind next year, Mr. Beru)

[TellurideTom]

HA! Yep & thanks you to you too.
 (i know the Mayor didn't "tow them over on his runabout" but that's what the good politicians do: make some poor saps do it for him)

Couldn't agree with you more! 

Oh, that's right. Run-a-muck was full of gimps this year.
If I had known you weren't capable I would have asked some of the younger guys.

Three cheers for swander for coming to the rescue the last night of the festival when my other "volunteers" failed to show up to bring the tables back to camp.