shows

[dayton]

looking for copies of the:
house band show
crooked still
tim obrien & jerry douglas
todd snider
punch brothers nightgrass
emmylou harris
any others.....
cotapers did have a few of these, i didnt see them today though.....
would be willing to trade shows as well....



i meant to put this in the other thread, but my session timed out and it went here....

 Listening to: crickets

[zack_adcock]

People will often post on the Show Traders/Tapers board when FTP or BitTorrents of the T'ride sets are available, or when they have copies to trade / seed for a more traditional trading vine. 

Right now these shows are on the Tapers.org FTP server -- ftp.tapers.org l/p: ftp4all / ftp4all

Bela & Toumani
Elvis Costello
David Byrne
Jerry douglas & Tim O'Brien
Jerry Douglas Band
Railroad Earth
Sam Bush Band
Yonder Mountain String Band
Zac Brown Band

More are bound to show up as the tapers can get them uploaded!

Just download an ftp client, like FileZilla or something like it, and login/download.

THANKS, too, to everyone who tapes -- it's GREAT to revisit these sets!

[Matt]

If don't want to do FTP, check here http://tapers.org/download/  You can download MP3 zip's of all the shows on the server.

[zack_adcock]

indeed!

maybe someone can help me out here: everything i've read/been told for YEARS has said that FLAC is lossless while mp3 is lossy but now suddenly -- such as the tapers.org site and archive -- mp3 formats are showing up where formerly FLAC seemed to be the preferred format.

can anyone shed some light about whether or not the mp3s at tapers.org are in fact in a lossy format? it's much faster to download these and they seem to be much smaller files -- both from here and from Archive -- but i've always opted for the FLAC files to better preserve the recording at the request of most tapers.

thanks for any insight!
also obviously feel free to move this if a moderator finds it more appropriate for the Traders/Tapers board.

[TheBanjomatic]

The mp3's are still lossy, and I think the emergence of mp3's (in addition to the existing lossless sources) is directly related to the format in which people listen to the music.

Specifically, in the past people would download the lossless formats, convert them to wav and burn them onto cd's to listen to in their car, etc. These days, however, cd's have fallen somewhat out of fashion and many people are preferring to keep their music on personal media devices. If people are going to just convert the flac->mp3/aac to throw on their ipod, you might as well save the bandwidth and the time and just download the mp3s.

[zack_adcock]

I get that -- but I'm talking more from the standpoint of the taper/archivist, or even the band, not as the listener; obviously it's user-friendly in many ways to download the mp3s if that's what happens to the shows anyway, particularly if one is going to throw them on an iPod. I just never thought I'd see archives of band- and taper-approved recordings in mp3 format based on the constant, and completely understandable, request that their recordings NOT be archived in this fashion.

I know just asking doesn't stop anyone from doing it (as a teacher, I wish this were the case sometimes!), but what the request DID seem to stop -- at least in more serious taper/trader communities -- was the distribution of shows in .mp3 format in lieu of lossless compression formats like SHN or FLAC. I guess I'm just puzzled that now this form of distribution seems to be legit.

[TheBanjomatic]

I just never thought I'd see archives of band- and taper-approved recordings in mp3 format based on the constant, and completely understandable, request that their recordings NOT be archived in this fashion.

I see what you are saying now... I think the thing that makes this different is that they are offering both the lossless and lossy versions from the same place. The internet has really changed things also in that what with places like archive.org out there, the availability of live recordings has changed dramatically. I think the resistance of converting to mp3 in the past was driven by the transitive way in which tape-trading worked in the past. If one person in the chain converted to mp3, everyone that got a copy from that person would have a degraded recording. Someone else along the line might re-encode that to mp3 for their own use and distribute that, further reducing the quality. For that reason, the tapers didn't really have control over the quality of the recording once its in the wild.

With online archives, the HQ lossless version is available to anyone downloading the show, and there is no longer a need to burn cds and trade those shows as they are readily accessible to anyone with an internet connection. In that sense, the taper has more control over how his/her recording is distributed (in terms of quality). They are ensured that the hi-fi version maintains its fidelity as people download the show, and they are given the option to offer the mp3's as well.

The last distinction that I can see is that by providing a choice between lossless and lossy, the quality is well advertised. With trading, there is no way to really know whether or not someone converted to mp3 along the way. With archive.org, the quality of the recording is much more transparent.

Thats just my 2cents on the matter.

[zack_adcock]

Interesting. All of this technology and we still have the equivalent of analog-to-analog "generations." ;-)

I see your point there; I hadn't thought of the bit about the "source" being available to anyone and how it doesn't rely as much (operative words; I still know PLENTY of people who only get their recordings from other people) on the lineage from start to finish that way.

Thanks for the insight! I'm curious as to what others have to say about this, too!  As a young trader when the digital shift happened, I remember fearing for my status as a trader if I did something wrong in the burning/downloading of a set! It was just strange for me to realize, the closer I looked, that things had been given into, slightly, on that front.

[rdfager]

Several recordings are up on cotapers.org too.

Telluride House Band
Sam Bush Band
Zac Brown Band
David Byrne
Both Yonder Nightgrass shows

 Listening to: Telluride House Band 2009

[rdfager]

Banjomatic is exactly right in what he says about about tapers/audiophiles fearing that the mp3s will get transcoded mulitiple times.  That was a big problem in the early days of digital trading.

However, more and more people are listenting to all of their music in mp3 format.  By offering music in mp3, we can ensure that the mp3s are still the highest possible quality by encoding them with a high bitrate, making sure the the tags are correct, etc.  Also, with so many people listening to mp3s instead of CDs, the fear of the mp3s being transcoded multiple times is much less.  People today are likely to just copy the mp3 for their friend, rather than burning a cd.

[dayton]

im only finding ways to stream shows from tapers.org.....
how do i download the entire files?
im gonna keep searching for now....
thanks for the links for the shows, its very much appreciated



....i think i might have figured it out, just click 'zip' right? save and burn
and for the above discussion, i prefer flac over mp3s most always. easier to transfer, smaller, and sound is better in my opinion.....

 Listening to: jerry and timmy

[John R]

im only finding ways to stream shows from tapers.org.....
how do i download the entire files?
im gonna keep searching for now....
thanks for the links for the shows, its very much appreciated

get an ftp client.   http://www.smartftp.com/           http://www.cuteftp.com/products/ftp_clients.aspx

[dayton]

thanks john
got it figured out
now just got to gte prepared for hours of new music this weekend.... woot!

 Listening to: yonder sheridan

[historyman]

I agree with what other people have said about flac/wav vs mp3/aac.

For me it's also about two things: digital file space, and the sheer number of shows available now.  I download an amazing amount of music every week.  I look for shows on lots of different sources, for numerous bands, both recent and old stuff. 

If you are a Grateful Dead fan you can pretty much get any Dead show off archive.org, in many cases from numerous sources.  Plus there's radio specials and the Sirius/XM dedicated channel.  It's ubiquitous.

So I have so many hundreds of shows, I usually listen to them on ipod, it's a no brainer these days to get the mp3s.  How many times am I going to listen to a particular show?  One?  Five?  Twenty?

btw, it's also fun every year to download and burn all these Telluride sets and then distribute to all of my less tech inclined old buddies from Telluride.  People just love to get them.  So thanks again to all the tapers.  You make a lot of people happy.

 Listening to: ymsb sheridan 09

[ramblerjessica]

awwww, i missed this thread, and was using the other one.  yay for publicly traded shows, though!