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URL icon « on: October 29, 2007, 08:44:15 PM »

Some of you have heard about Boulder County shutting down my quiet living room concerts outside Nederland.  Land Use actually told a group of us on October 16 that there are no formal complaints against the monthly potluck series we've been hosting since 1999. However, they are still interested in generic gathering regulations (requiring a permit) for groups over 30. Pretty absurd in my opinion - if there's a problem just enforce the existing nuisance laws against excessive noise, traffic, and parking instead of creating a new law.

Anyway, we have been fighting Boulder County for over a year because we believe they are invading our Constitutional rights.  We have spent over $25K in legal fees and expect to hit $30K when we're done protecting our right to quiet private parties. If you'd like to attend a legal defense benefit concert on November 18 at the Nederland Community Center please check out

http://magnoliaroad.net/~greg.ching/Ching%20ZON-06-075/Sherpas%20Concert%20Poster%20Final.pdf

http://thesherpas.net/
http://www.puremusic.com/sherpas1.html

Tom Kimmel's songs have been recorded by legendary artists from Joe Cocker to Linda Ronstadt.
Tom Prasada-Rao's passion and soul have earned him numerous writing and performing awards.
Michael Lille's songwriting and lustrous guitar playing have earned him the respect and admiration of peers and fans across the country.

Nederland Community Center
750 Hwy 72 North
Nederland, CO 80466
$20 - $30 sliding scale per person
6 PM potluck, 7 PM concert
Benefit ticket reservations can be made via:
http://ectores.luisys.com/make_res.php?event_id=240
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URL icon « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2007, 09:45:15 AM »

Some of you have heard about Boulder County shutting down my quiet living room concerts outside Nederland.  Land Use actually told a group of us on October 16 that there are no formal complaints against the monthly potluck series we've been hosting since 1999. However, they are still interested in generic gathering regulations (requiring a permit) for groups over 30. Pretty absurd in my opinion - if there's a problem just enforce the existing nuisance laws against excessive noise, traffic, and parking instead of creating a new law.

Anyway, we have been fighting Boulder County for over a year because we believe they are invading our Constitutional rights.  We have spent over $25K in legal fees and expect to hit $30K when we're done protecting our right to quiet private parties. If you'd like to attend a legal defense benefit concert on November 18 at the Nederland Community Center please check out

http://magnoliaroad.net/~greg.ching/Ching%20ZON-06-075/Sherpas%20Concert%20Poster%20Final.pdf

http://thesherpas.net/
http://www.puremusic.com/sherpas1.html

Tom Kimmel's songs have been recorded by legendary artists from Joe Cocker to Linda Ronstadt.
Tom Prasada-Rao's passion and soul have earned him numerous writing and performing awards.
Michael Lille's songwriting and lustrous guitar playing have earned him the respect and admiration of peers and fans across the country.

Nederland Community Center
750 Hwy 72 North
Nederland, CO 80466
$20 - $30 sliding scale per person
6 PM potluck, 7 PM concert
Benefit ticket reservations can be made via:
http://ectores.luisys.com/make_res.php?event_id=240



Oh... i hope a bunch  of you will GO! The music is going to be great and add to that the cause that benefits from this and you will be getting a LOT for your money. I am forwarding this on to people I know in your area... and even calling some of them.  This is IMPORTANT!
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Oh... i hope a bunch  of you will GO! The music is going to be great and add to that the cause that benefits from this and you will be getting a LOT for your money. I am forwarding this on to people I know in your area... and even calling some of them.  This is IMPORTANT!
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Yes I agree.
I was hoping to show my support and attend, however we just learned of a death in the family and will have to pass on this,  this time. I'm not sure when but we have to leave town for a bit. Trying to square up some plans as we speak.
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Sorry to hear of your loss, Miki. Safe travels to you and yours.

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URL icon « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 05:34:56 AM »

So sorry to hear of your loss, Miki.  Although our paths have not crossed before and I only recently joined this website I have felt welcomed and supported by the music lovers in this virtual community.  I think it makes a difference that we all have something real to tie it back to...the wonderful shared experiences brought to us by Planet Bluegrass, Folkwest, Folk Alliance, and of course the amazing artists we have all heard.

For anyone who did not see the Boulder Daily Camera on Friday, here is their article regarding this upcoming concert.

http://dailycamera.com/news/2007/nov/15/tones-of-home/
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URL icon « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 10:04:58 PM »

I'm not sure if anyone from this Forum actually made The Sherpas concert but it was a major success considering it was the Sunday before Thanksgiving.  We raised a few thousand dollars...probably $1500 after expenses.  Every bit helps.   Thumbs Up

We did test the concept of doing a benefit there so we'll do it again in April.  I'll post something then but it will be The Duhks (http://duhks.com) playing in this intimate theater.  No dates yet but they will probably play two nights...one benefit for our house concert legal defense and the second for their own Sustainability Project (http://greenduhks.com).

peace,

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URL icon « Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 01:56:30 AM »

http://dailycamera.com/news/2007/dec/05/debate-over-house-concerts-still-playing/

Anyone can comment but I encourage especially Boulder County folks to chime in....
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As my wife Debbie said recently, we appreciate all the great support we've received during the last 18 months. The end is near! We only have two more public hearings to go.

This Wednesday morning public comments will be shipped to members of Boulder County's Planning Commission.  Unfortunately, unless you commented recently on the draft regulations none of your earlier letters on house concerts will be delivered.

You CAN help with a short comment via the BoCo Land Use website.

http://www.co.boulder.co.us/lu/code_updates/home_events/DC07001_meeting_011608.htm

** Please note County web site meeting time currently lists the incorrect time (which they will fix soon) - it will be an afternoon 3 PM hearing on Wednesday, January 16. **

** While we believe there is no need for this constitutionally challenged regulation, the primary wording change we'd like to see is raising the maximum from 6 to 12 home events per year. **

IF YOU ONLY HAVE TIME FOR A QUICK PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE USE THE BOCO LAND USE WEBSITE.



If you have more time, letters to the County Commissioners and some local papers would be most appreciated.  All of them require your name, address, and daytime phone number for verification purposes.  If you keep your newspaper letters to under 200 words it will increase the odds of it being printed.

commissioners@co.boulder.co.us

openforum@dailycamera.com

opinion@times-call.com

openforum@denverpost.com

letters@rockymountainnews.com

bhz@themountainear.com

burtnedgazette@gmail.com

aaron.storms@gilpincountynews.com


I am not a Libertarian but if you need tips on writing a letter to an editor check this out

http://www.lpcolorado.org/letters/howtowrite.htm


Please write what's on your mind or pick one topic from this list to be most effective:

#1  Boulder County is going in the wrong direction trying to regulate private parties.  Even
"progressive" Colorado Springs allows monthly gatherings of 100 at a house concert there.  Here's an
article from 2002...this series in CO Springs does concerts almost every month now.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_20020927/ai_n10009819

Other cities allowing house concerts include

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7732134

http://www.theacorn.com/news/2007/0208/On_The_Town/067.html

http://www.thewavemag.com/printarticle.php?articleid=25823

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/10/08_helmsm_houseconcerts/

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DC123EF933A05755C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all


#2  Cities all over the country, including Boulder, have nuisance party laws.  They do not regulate size or frequency but instead measure the impact on the neighborhood.

http://www.bouldercolorado.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3110&Itemid=1423

#3  Regulating events on public lands is one thing but regulations affecting what you do in your living room has constitutional problems.

http://pages.prodigy.net/cah/concert/complaint.pdf

#4  Enforcement of the proposed regulation will be practically impossible.  Who will keep track of annual "home events" and how to record if attendance was between 25 - 60?  For something that is not advertised to the general public, how can you tell the difference between one of these "home events" and an ordinary party without actually sending an officer on-site to investigate?  Not only does this make it unenforceable (that knock on the door could be a Fourth Amendment violation or even a First Amendment violation via prior restraint if people start looking over their shoulders for that knock), it gives any ornery neighbor an excuse to file anonymous complaints any time someone hosts a party of any kind.   

#5  Boulder County is taking an absurd position by saying social events are illegal if not specifically authorized when most laws specify what is illegal.  Why does a quiet indoor party need to be limited in size or frequency when much louder outdoor BBQs are allowed?  Why limit the size of temporary signs to 2 square feet when real estate and celebratory party signs are often are much larger?  Are there 14th amendment Equal Protection Clause issues here? 

No justification is given for restricting music events (broadcast or live) but not restricting other broadcast events run under similar circumstances. What about parties where people chip in for pay per view events? Or weekly football parties where everyone comes to watch the broadcast but is expected to chip in for pizza and beer provided by the hosts?  Or a big film club that meets regularly at the home of a family that has an extra-large media room and asks that everyone who attends chips in to help pay for the equipment?

#6  Boulder County should encourage community social gatherings in homes.  Many wine tasting clubs, prayer meetings with donations, pay-per-view football parties take place monthly or more often.  Every year, people often have outdoor fund raisers (both political and charitable) that will exceed the size or frequency of these "home events."  Why should they be exempt?

#7  If exemptions are allowed for celebrations, how do you treat a Halloween potluck with musicians where guests optionally buy CDs or tip the musicians?  How is that different from a political fund raiser where contributions are often expected?  Why is Boulder County making a distinction over activity versus neighborhood impact?

#8  Why not just enforce existing nuisance laws rather than create new unconstitutional laws?

#9  Isn't this a waste of County time and money when there are no known noise, parking, or traffic citations against the house concert series you sent the Cease-and-Desist order?  Where is the protection against frivolous anonymous complainers?

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jun/10/driven-by-complaints/

#10  Boulder County has said it's legal to have private concerts where musicians can be paid by the host and guests may offer money to the hosts. What's illegal is putting out a tip jar...a silly distinction.

http://dailycamera.com/news/2007/feb/11/a-fine-and-silly-distinction/



Anyone needing a reminder of the events leading up to this or want to read past letters of support (at least the ones we got copied on) see

http://aspenmeadowhc.org/index.php?page=about&family=about_us


Thanks for wading through this.  Comments can be sent at any time before the 16th for the Planning Commission.  The Commissioners meeting will likely be in February - date TBD.  Comments received before then will also be hopefully read.  3 PM is a difficult time for many people working day jobs to make a public hearing so we'd love your physical support on Wednesday, January 16.  Thank you...and Happy New Year!

peace,

  greg and debbie

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URL icon « Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 12:07:11 AM »

You can write a letter to a newspaper saying you are watching Boulder County pass a really bad regulation...better yet, please show up if you can at 3 PM at the Pearl Street Courthouse on Wednesday, January 16.  They schedule the meeting at a bad time for people who work in the day so I am not counting on too many supporters....
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Miki, GO! Be there for support even if it's not your voting district. They could cross over to your side of the fence next!

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URL icon « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM »

I just did a search for "16" and found it here Thumbs Up
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URL icon « Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 09:47:05 PM »

As our small town (~1500 in town, ~5000 surrounding) newspaper doesn't really have much of a website, I've copied the text here.

http://aspenmeadowhc.org/index.php?page=press&category=Articles&display=539

I found out tonight that the only County Commissioner hearing date in February or March offered to us was Feb 21st.  Unfortunately, that's during the Folk Alliance conference that we participate in every year.  So, the next possible date is late April...stay tune for the specific date.
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URL icon « Reply #12 on: January 25, 2008, 12:12:54 AM »

Scroll down for the house concert article in this January 2008 issue of the Left Hand Valley Courier

http://www.lhvc.com/web/Jan08/Jan08.html
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URL icon « Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 04:22:52 PM »

This was the group that supported the Land Use Director's
interpretation at our house concert appeal on 07 Feb 2007. If there
had been some members not so intimidated by the Land Use Department's
lawyers...they could have stopped it there. Please pass this on to
anyone willing to challenge the status quo.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
25 January 2008


CONTACT: Cecilia Lacey, Boulder County Commissioners' Office, 303-441-4504

Representatives needed to serve on Board of Adjustment

Boulder County is seeking three people to fill vacancies on the Board of Adjustment. The BOA has statutory authority to hear appeals and grant variances to the Boulder County Land Use Code.

The Board needs one city of Boulder resident representative, one Longmont resident and one member-at-large.

The deadline to apply is Thursday, Jan. 31. For more information, visit www.bouldercounty.org/bocc/AdvisoryBoards or contact Cecilia Lacey at 303-441-4504, clacey@bouldercounty.org .

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There are 4 parts you can download.

http://aspenmeadowhc.org/index.php?page=press&category=Public_Hearings
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