Any/All suggestions/solutions for Pass Sales

[TRL]

It seems the past few years tickets have sold out leaving many disgruntled angry or scrambling in despair I am certain Team Planet is working hard to discover a way that works for we loyal festivarians.  Instead of just being fault finders playing the blame-game let's use the festivarian think tank  and provide suggestions /solutions.  Now I've read a lot of good ones from lotteries to will call to preseason signups at the show.... What else? 

 Listening to: A June bug hit the light  

[Debbiefromtucson]

Let's go back to the way it was before online sales.. You have to send a check in by postmarked date.

[landshark]

It seems the past few years tickets have sold out leaving many disgruntled angry or scrambling in despair I am certain Team Planet is working hard to discover a way the works for we loyal festivarians.  Instead of just stating the problem let use the festivarian think tank  and provide suggestions /solutions.  Now I've read a lot of good ones from lotteries to will call to preseason signups at the show.... What else? 

Well,  I'll be dead soon so  there's one new spot.

I think, YingYang card for us Vets, like a stamp at a Subway Shop or frequent Flyer Miles or Points on your Credit Card.

The more you come, the easier it is to get in..... A level program
Inclusive and exclusive
I never did understand why folks give deals to new clients when it's the repeating ones that have held the  mean, these folks should get the "coupon". What do I know, I'm just a Shark.

[JoeBu]

This was discussed in detail in this thread...I think it's a combo of flash tickets and manual lottery that would be the best, but in the end there's more people than tickets so someone will always be on the outside.

http://www.festivarian.com/index.php?topic=13520.0

[TRL]

Well shark I'm hopeful  we can squeeze a few more out of ya before d-day. So you'd suggest a Festi-geezer program?  Honoring our faithful vets who keep the spirit alive.
Interesting... Like show us your stack of annual beer cups and get put on a list.

 Ya know i admit I have noticed the trend of getting new sales instead of appreciating the existing in all areas of business today from buying a cell phone to even electric companies offering discounts to new customers... I'd love my cell company to call me up one day and say hey thanks! Here's a free month.... 

[ShatteredArm]

I think if anything will solve this problem, it is more threads about it.

[Auntie Hope]

Well shark I'm hopeful  we can squeeze a few more out of ya before d-day. So you'd suggest a Festi-geezer program?  Honoring our faithful vets who keep the spirit alive.
Interesting... Like show us your stack of annual beer cups and get put on a list.

 Ya know i admit I have noticed the trend of getting new sales instead of appreciating the existing in all areas of business today from buying a cell phone to even electric companies offering discounts to new customers... I'd love my cell company to call me up one day and say hey thanks! Here's a free month.... 

Festi-Dictionary Alert!!!! 

[landshark]

Well shark I'm hopeful  we can squeeze a few more out of ya before d-day. So you'd suggest a Festi-geezer program?  Honoring our faithful vets who keep the spirit alive.
Interesting... Like show us your stack of annual beer cups and get put on a list.

 Ya know i admit I have noticed the trend of getting new sales instead of appreciating the existing in all areas of business today from buying a cell phone to even electric companies offering discounts to new customers... I'd love my cell company to call me up one day and say hey thanks! Here's a free month.... 

  yes, this is what I am suggesting.

[BluegrassDustin]

I think if anything will solve this problem, it is more threads about it.

I probably shouldn't admit it...but this made me laugh.

I'd like the idea of you guys brainstorming. We most certainly are trying to come up with every idea we can, and some we can't, to improve things.

For the sake of discussion, I'd like to play devil's advocate to some of these ideas.


With the "repeat offender" idea...

Say someone has been coming for 20+ years and can't make it this year/hasn't made it for the past couple. How do we not exclude those people?

expected answer: "Use your records to see who has purchased tickets in years past"

Ok...

How do we differentiate from the Festivarians and the fake Festivarians who are scalping? Everyone is just a name in our database. There's no way to tell who's coming and who's buying for friends, etc...

[BillyBeru]

For the sake of discussion, I'd like to play devil's advocate to some of these ideas.

With the "repeat offender" idea...

Say someone has been coming for 20+ years and can't make it this year/hasn't made it for the past couple. How do we not exclude those people?

You do exclude those people (but not because you want to).

Set aside a limited number of 4-day passes (say 500-1000) and have a separate Advanced Sales ticket booth inside the grounds. Sell up to a fixed amount each day.

Most people will understand that if they are not present then they can't get the advance tickets (but I bet some of their friends will hook them up).

[landshark]

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With the "repeat offender" idea...
Say someone has been coming for 20+ years and can't make it this year/hasn't made it for the past couple. How do we not exclude those people?

expected answer: "Use your records to see who has purchased tickets in years past"

Ok...

How do we differentiate from the Festivarians and the fake Festivarians who are scalping? Everyone is just a name in our database. There's no way to tell who's coming and who's buying for friends, etc...

3 waves or releases of tickets, first wave for the vets,in December,  after deadline is up to respond,which is really RSVP second wave less frequent attendees, in Jan.,third wave newbies in Feb. Yep your data would have to identify repeats. No excluding, just have to get it while its hot on your wave.

I am not sure what type of data you keep, but a quick look and you will see our names in year after year. I always say the process of elemination is a wonderful tool...

[landshark]

And I am up for a small ying yang tat on me for each year kinda like a bar code.

[TRL]

And I am up for a small ying yang tat on me for each year kinda like a bar code.

YEA!! New Revelation! ....    One must receive the "Mark of the Fest"  to enter.

[Debbiefromtucson]

I'll leave you one of my kids as a deposit for the next fest....LOL

[FaceOnMars]

I would be opposed to a system which embraced prior attendance as a leg up for being able to obtain tickets for subsequent years' festivals.  There's currently a relative degree of "institutional bias" with respect to seating (i.e. poser pit + tarps), whereas providing an inside track for future ticket sales would only seal the deal as far as stacking the deck regarding mere attendance.

If anything, I'd support a lottery where the deck gets re-shuffled for every deal.  I just don't believe there ought to be any sort of connection between prior year's attendance and entitlement (or merely better odds) for the future.

Most festivarians who've been coming out to the TBF for years knows what it takes, even when tickets are tight.  You just have to be on your A game.

This is just my personal opinion, as I'd rather enjoy the moment inside the festival grounds knowing I got inside the gate without a special handshake or crest on my jacket & that others did as well.

As far as subway punches:  I think that's apples and oranges ... IOW, there's not a limited supply issue in the case of subs ... then again, I prefer Pot Belly and they're not in Colorado 

There might be something to the seniority thing as far as having "clearance" with respect to being pre-approved to enter a lottery or pre-sale in effort to mitigate scalping ... which I think is probably the ball we should keep our eyes on.    Perhaps have a sign-in booth inside the festival grounds which matches the ticket number with a name (bring along the purchaser if part of a group) in order to be added to the "not a scalper" list.